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Posted 9/12/2007 12:14:29 PM
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Hello all:

This may sound like a strange question but I have a pure bred ragdoll and a friend calls her a Siamese ragdoll. She is a tortie point and has the bluest eyes you have ever seen. I know that one of the breeds that was used to develop this breed was the Siamese if I am not mistaken but I had someone ask me what the other breeds were not that this is all that important. I have a few books on the Ragdoll, but I moved in April of this year and am still looking for the books. I have done a great job of hiding them from myself. I just asked this question out of curiosity mor than anything else.

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Posted 7/13/2008 5:20:49 PM
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The original Ragdolls were a mix of several different cats. I don't think anyone really knows what went in the mix. Birmans are thought to be involved. Not necesarily Siamese as Siamese are sh and Rags are all longhair cats - so it would be longhair breed like Birmans, pet quality Persians, maybe Turkish Angoras.
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Posted 7/13/2008 5:50:39 PM
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Here's what a breeder friend of mine has on her website about the origin of Raggies - I have one myself, a cream lynx-point.  Aren't they gorgeous kitties with those deep blue eyes!  And such sweet temperaments.

Ragdolls were originated by the late Ann Baker in Riverside, California in the early 1960's. The Ragdoll cat is a hybrid breed. Many breeders believe the hybridization was achieved by crossbreeding Persian, Birman and Burmese. Ann Baker started her foundation Ragdoll with a feral, white, long-haired Persian or Angora type cat named Josephine. Josephine lived among a wild cat colony of the Baker's neighbors, Mrs. Pennels.  Lots of stories have been told about the origins and characteristics of Ragdolls but the myth of the story goes that Josephine was hit by a car and laid next to a curb for two days. Josephine suffered head injuries and internal injuries. Ann's neighbor worked at a local University and Josephine was taken there and nursed back to health. After this accident Josephine's kittens were now different prior to before the accident, perhaps due to Josephine's injuries. Before the accident the kittens were wild like Josephine. After the accident, the kittens were playful, loving and relax. Ann Baker would borrow one of Josephine's older sons to sire progeny in her Black Persian breeding program from her neighbor. This son had the appearances of a Black/Brown Persian and was named Blackie. Ann obtained a female kitten from Blackie and Josephine. The kitten was a black female called Buckwheat. Buckwheat's appearance was similar to a Burmese. Ann Baker's neighbor also kept one of the kittens which was a pointed male with white mittens. This male was named Raggedy Ann Daddy Warbucks. He had the appearance of a Birman breed-Sacred Cat of Burma (Birman breed). It was on one of Ann's visits to borrow Blackie that she saw Blackie's brother, Daddy Warbucks. Blackie and Raggedy Ann Warbucks are both Josephine's sons, but with different sires. Having already established trust with the owner, Ann borrowed Daddy Warbucks to breed to her females. Ann Baker then obtained a daughter of Daddy Warbucks and Josephine and named her Raggedy Ann Fugianna. Fugianna was the first bicolor Ragdoll to be born. Having now two females, Buckwheat and Fugianna, Ann continued the stud service of Daddy Warbucks. With these breedings the foundation stock of the Ragdoll breed was laid. The first two Ragdolls to be born were from Daddy Warbucks and Buckwheat. Ann Baker stated she owes the look of the Ragdoll to Daddy Warbucks.

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Posted 7/13/2008 6:43:49 PM
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Thanks, but the only part of the story that is so fake is the fact that the cat being hit by a car made the kittens behave different - that's so far fetched - yet Baker told the story and actually believed it.

There is other things she claimed was true about the cats she created that was just as far fetched! I don't remember all of it, but cannot imagine anyone really believing some of those stories

I think the Persian, Birman were the main ones involved and a few others.
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Posted 7/14/2008 2:58:31 PM
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You're SO right, the stories are incredible - but whatever she did to create those cats, they're the sweetest imaginable kitties.  And pretty as well!
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Posted 7/14/2008 6:19:22 PM


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But wouldn't any well socialized cat be sweet tempered too? Gabe was very well socialized, and when I pick him up he's a warm furry purring ball of Jell-o.

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Posted 7/14/2008 7:11:33 PM


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I had a very socialized cat. He would hop on the lap of the visitors after 5 minutes. He would lie over your shoulder purring... and he wasn't sweet-tempered.

He was a growler. He was afraid of other cats. Should any cat approach him and he would begin growling. In the end he was getting used to the others ones, but he wasn't sweet.

He growled at me also. Sometimes he was on my shoulder and if I touched him with my hand, he would growl. With other people he was more patient.

He died because of a cancer, I don't know how could have finish. But he was very socialized and bad-tempered.

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