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Posted 9/17/2009 2:05:54 PM
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Buy a book called Lost and found by ELIZABETH HESS it has an insiders look on what shelters are really all about.


Trap the mom and spay her. Then turn her loose.





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Posted 9/18/2009 6:57:29 AM
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PantherPride, we all know about the euthanasia rates at shelters. We all know what goes on at shelters. You are new here so I'll explain to you that everyone here hates the fact that there is a need for shelters and we all do what we can to prevent the need for more. Unfortunately, there are too many irresponsible people that don't spay and neuter their pets, and while we all try to do what we can, there is only so much each individual can do. Unfortunately, until people are educated and understand how important it is to spay and neuter, there will be a need for shelters.

It doesn't seem very constructive to beat Mystiques81 up about something that she already feels terrible about. It was a hard lesson to learn and it's something she obviously regrets, is it really necessary to make her feel worse by harping about the horrors of a shelter?
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Posted 9/18/2009 2:57:13 PM
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I can see your point. Still I know for a fact we have way to many squirrels then what the land normally supports live in our area. 7 were in our yard last winter. There is not enough native natural predators in cities to control them due to delopment and people feeding them.


I think a short life hunting squirrels as an altered feral is better then a long miserable one floating from home to unsuitable home and risking de clawing. Better for people too.. A cat bite can put someone on the hospital and unless cornered or rabid ferals avoid people..


You are also right that more people are going to want kittens then adult cats, however its a pretty good darn bet to say that most wont be kept for the 30 to 2o year span a cat should live for if kept tame. Most Cats will live to that age if you feed them right its just that most don't because most eat so bad.


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Posted 9/18/2009 5:41:57 PM


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I think a short life hunting squirrels as an altered feral is better then a long miserable one floating from home to unsuitable home and risking de clawing.

You are also right that more people are going to want kittens then adult cats, however its a pretty good darn bet to say that most wont be kept for the 30 to 2o year span a cat should live for if kept tame.

PantherPride - I have to ask you where you are getting your information here.  What makes you believe that all pet cats are miserable or are floating from home to unsuitable home?  Or that most would not be kept with one family for their entire lives?

I agree with you, most people do seem to prefer kittens over adult cats.  But all the families I know of with cats do intend to keep them for their entire lives, and few would give their cats up except under dire circumstances - like becoming homeless themselves.  And most folks who get cats do their best to provide them with suitable homes, with great success, and the cats are far from miserable.

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Posted 9/19/2009 6:47:15 AM
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From life experiences... At my job ( I work as a disabled actor/artist I hear all kinds of bad stories), One woman had brought a 10 year old de clawed cat into a Perkins on a whim and had a brain disease, she had to go to a nursing home, cat was borded with a friend of mine, they had 30 days to find the cat a home or give it her to a shelter. they gave the cat to an apartment resident, the friend moved shortly after words . cat was last seen roaming freely by cars


Story number 2 ( Also de clawed) is a friend that has a friend that wants to get rid of their cat because its barfing up hair balls and wont eat the vet food. the cat is 13 and at the very least is in its 2'd home, they got the cat already de clawed from some buddy else. I told her to tell her friend that if you brush the cat and up the diet it should work out okay.


story number 3 is a rather depressing case which involved a group home the cat was allowed to roam freely outdoors and was surrendered because of allergies, I don't know if it was de clawed or not.

Story number 4 involved a de clawed overweight cat ( Also in a group home) named spirit, one day the owner came to work with a bad bite wound on her hand, Doug(our boss) had to file a report probably to the common entry point ( required if disabled adult is in danger/ect) , the cats back claw was injured in a fight (cat escapes outside) and spirit couldn't jump normally and bit me too ( thought didn't break the skin)

Story number 5 involves 2 cats that are both de clawed, their teeth are falling out due to poor diet and they are allowed outside, also they live in a group home



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Posted 9/19/2009 8:19:46 AM


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OK.  I am not denying that things like this do happen - not all people know how to (or in some instances, care to) properly take care of their cats, and sometimes folks get them and then realize they took on more than they bargained for.

But I think perhaps your experience may be a bit limited - there are many people out there who love cats, who do know how to care for them properly and go to great lengths to make sure their furry friends are happy and healthy, and are fully prepared to care for their cats for their entire lives. 

Just look at this forum - I've attempted to console many people here who've lost their cat to illness after many years, and I know that most of the folks who've been on this forum have done the same.  You'll find many questions here from folks who want to be sure their cat is alright and that they're doing the best thing for the cat.  You won't find folks here who'd willingly relinquish their cat to a shelter.  Many of us, though, have adopted cats from shelters and would happily do so again.  Two of mine came from shelters.

Yes, there are people here who have had their cats declawed, and there are people here who don't allow their cats outdoors and people who believe that indoor-only cats aren't happy or healthy.  These are two areas of great debate, but no matter what your personal feelings are about these issues, the fact still remains - these are people who care deeply about their cats.

And there are many many other cat-lovers out there who do not participate in this forum.  So you see why I question your ideas - not that there aren't bad owners out there, but just that there are so many good owners.

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Posted 9/19/2009 10:36:36 AM
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I suppose your right, I know more bad then good owners and thankfully my 2 cats are happy. I have a bunch good posts and I'm even teaching them to respond to a clicker.



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Posted 9/21/2009 7:27:06 AM
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PantherPride, I'm sorry that you know so many bad pet owners and that you've had so many bad experiences with them. I am very fortunate that most of the people I know care for their pets and do everything they can to ensure their comfort and happiness and I don't know anyone who would willingly give them up. I can say for myself that anyone who tried to take my cats away from me would have to pry them from my cold, dead hands. That's the only way I would give them up and, as you get to know us, I think you'll find that most of the people here at Cat Channel feel the same way. We all share a common bond here, and that is the love of our pets. I hope that we can change your mind that most people are bad pet owners.

p.s. It sounds like your kitties are very lucky to have you to take care of them!
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Posted 9/22/2009 3:31:23 PM
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I'm not saying most people are bad ones by choice or even mean to be, so much info is out there that its easy to assume a professional such as a vet without really questioning the real motives behind the, feed him science diet..

My pca's take really good care of their pets.




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Posted 10/27/2009 2:04:25 PM
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Hi all,

I know it's been a while but I was worried to post again. Thanks for all the helpfull answers though

I did go to the shelter and got a trap so I could reunite cat mom with her kittens. They showed me how to use it. An hour or so after I had put the live trap out with food she went in.

I brought her to the shelter and told them I would like to adopt her and 1 kitten when they were ready to be seperated.

When my husband came home from field training about 14 days later and the kittens was 1 week away from being old enough to be adopted. We drove to the shelter so he could see them. But then they had already adopted 1 of the kittens away even though they had told me they were not ready yet. Two of the other kittens had been found dead in their cage and the last kitten and cat mother had been too sick. So they had put them down.

I was all sad since now we had hoped to get two cats with us home. They tempted us with other kittens and we found the cutest little calico female around 12 weeks old. We took her home and she was such an adorable and friendly cat. But then she started to puke white foaming stuff. First we thought she was trying to throw up hairballs. Or maybe she was nervous about her new home. Everything else looked fine. The next morning she was just lying down and didn't want to move. She had not touched her food or water. She just kept putting her nose in the water bowl without drinking. So we rushed to the emergency vet, since it was sunday and all the other vets were closed. They did blood tests on her and told us she had feline panleukopenia virus. So the vet wanted to keep her the night over for treatments. But late in the evening he called us and said she had given up and died.

So I kind of gave up on the idea of getting a cat.

Then last week when my husband was down at the appartment office to pay some bills he saw a super skinny cat wandering around. It had a flea collar so he asked some people who was there if they knew the owner. But they said it had been wandering around for days. He picked it up and sat it down before our door. Then when the door opened it rushed into our appartment.

We still had a bag of dry food and some cans from when we had the kitten. So we gave it food and it ate it all. We also made a fresh new litte box which it used. Then afterwards it ran straight to the bed.

Next day we went to the vet. She told us it was a he. And that he was neutered and about two years old. But poor guy was starved so you could see all his bones, bitemark on the one leg so he had lost hair there, scracth marks on his nose and worst of it all a dislocated hip.

Well we got him the whole treatment: stuff for fleas and worms, all kind of vacinations including rabis vacination and x-rays for the hip.

This thursday he is scheduled to have his hip fixed and then the 7 november he is going to have more vacinations.

We have put up flyers in the local petsmart in case someone is missing him plus we also got him checked for mikrochip which he didn't have.

But if no one claims him. Then we keep him. We already named him Hemingway because of his exstra toes on his frontpaws. And I read Ernest Hemingway collected cats with exstra toes.

We have bought him Blue Buffalo cat food since I read that was a good brand. And he is eating a lot. So looks like he is gaining weight. I'm excited to see what the vet says when she sees him again.

Here is a picture of him:

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